tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post2872959933197799334..comments2022-07-26T10:48:00.817-07:00Comments on Thiemite: Mint JulepsChrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09919789419217903149noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-63013975567126706362022-07-25T09:41:12.743-07:002022-07-25T09:41:12.743-07:00Thank you so much for writing this. I was a Berac...Thank you so much for writing this. I was a Berachah baby born in 1970 and my family attended berachah every time the doors were open. Our breakfast room walls were stacked high with tapes and they filled my parents'bedroom closet. His teachings have wreaked destruction and havoc in my family. I've lost two brothers and I am a survivor of domestic violence. My beliefs in authoritarianism and the privacy of the priesthood kept me in violent marriages for most of my adult life. I have finally begun to deconstruct my beliefs and tear apart the false teaching of Thieme from the truth of Jesus. It is so hard to get the Col's voice out of my head when I read scripture for myself. Your writing helps me process what was so formative in my young life. "Thieme stepped to the side of his pulpit, put one hand on his hip, leaned forward, and sneered to the congregation, "Jesus doesn't love you - he TOLERATES you." I knew I held this as a belief deep down but could not understand why and when I read your words the memory came to life clear as day. I must have been in class that same night, but its also likely that Theime said this more than once. Thank you for exposing the truth in a kind and clear manner.Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10290119585990517504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-16924509555241086842016-07-20T21:04:57.474-07:002016-07-20T21:04:57.474-07:00Boy is this ever dead on. I admit I got a lot out...Boy is this ever dead on. I admit I got a lot out of the discipline and learning of our Thieme years. I am glad we learned and there is a lot to glean. I tell you though, I think that church wreaked quite a bit of distruction also. For instance my mom divorced my Dad (with no intervention, no counsel) because he was a reversionist (it is actually written on official divorce papers) So many of the marriages from that church are dead now and the families didn't only turn from Thieme, they turned from God after. I think the reason is while there was good doctrinal learning, there was absolutely none of God's heart, comfort, love. etc. When I came into a difficult time in my life I had nothing to lean on in Bible Doctrine. I had to start over and be broken from the arrogance that Thieme learning brought to me. So glad I found this so many years later beanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04697442597727155088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-39372110953194614742013-11-04T21:30:57.692-08:002013-11-04T21:30:57.692-08:00Well Chris, I'm not so sure where I stand here...Well Chris, I'm not so sure where I stand here. I went to all the conferences in the seventies. Football in the quad. Camping at, I guess, Six Flags. Totally sweaty after the shower. I went to UH as did my brothers. Had a twenty year Army career and was a Ranger - though I don't think in Ranger Hall. My mother taped until she passed away. If there is a super grace believer, she's one. There is much to be said for Thieme's teaching and style. Some of what he put out was bunk, but most was and is spot on. I've been married almost thirty years and have raised five wonderful children. None of the kids were subject to Thieme directly, but all have benefited by proper discipline and a firm belief in the sovereignty of Gods word. We have attended a Community Bible church for 13 years. Can't stand the music but the teaching is solid. They could use a little Bread of Heaven and Christian Soldier to add some meat to worship time. All in all the Thiemite time was positive. Privacy of the Priesthood, rebound, isolationism, Thieme's arrogance -- all bad. But most of what he taught was pretty solid. I've reread some of the books recently and found them to be doctrinally sound, just not as personal as I believe Christ would want. The message is there though. I had to chuckle the other day when my pastor mentioned Thieme as a poor example of church leader for kicking a hippie out of some service. Interesting times. And I'm not sure I found the RW, but I sure as hell found a good one. In Christ, ChadChadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10074760804331772716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-13987375555695872272011-07-19T11:38:35.835-07:002011-07-19T11:38:35.835-07:00Thank you Chris for writing this. I didn't gr...Thank you Chris for writing this. I didn't grow up in Texas, but in Pennsylvania in a church that was started by a pastor who listened to Thieme tapes. Needless to say, much of what was taught was derived or directly gotten from Thieme. Throughout my growing up I struggled with the doctrines taught. They didn't make sense to me: RM/RW, Edification Complex of the Soul, Rebound, etc. I thought something was spiritually wrong with me because I just couldn't grasp what my pastor was teaching and how it related to the Bible. <br />I went to a small Christian college out of state and attended a Bible church that was not "thieme". Beginning then, God has showed me how incorrect and unbiblical the Thieme doctrines are. Someone else has commented that they were "de-programed" from the teaching, and I couldn't think of a better word for it. <br />Unfortunately, my mom and two of my sisters still go to the church. My husband and I have recently moved back to Pennsylvania, but we attend a Baptist Church with pastors dedicated to teaching God's word from....God's word. I am thankful to God for allowing me to be free from the control those types of churches have on its members. God's word is sufficient. No man is greater than God.<br />Thank you for your blog.Luke and Michelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01461972790550360382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-60982924731050484132011-05-22T11:40:09.226-07:002011-05-22T11:40:09.226-07:00I left a "Thieme" offshoot church (that ...I left a "Thieme" offshoot church (that doesn't want to be identified as a "Thieme" church!) over a year ago. My husband and sons still attend the church. I was labeled unsubmissive, and not coming under my husband's or the pastor's authority, when I objected to being treated like a child, and verbally and emotionally abused. After I left, I spoke out, publicly, about my experience at this church. I recently received a letter from the pastor accusing me of libel and slander, and sinning against him!<br /> <br />I believe this church to be very destructive. My marraige is in shambles, and the highly authoritative teachings at this church regarding total and complete submission of wives, even when there is abuse, contributed heavily to the destruction of my marraige.<br /><br />My teen-age to young adult sons are confused, to say the least, regarding the proper understanding of roles and relationship in marraige. They continue to attend this church, as the pastor and my husband have convinced them that it is the only church in the area that teaches truth!<br /><br />I am considering publishing the emails I received from the pastor of this church, attempting to subjugate me, when I questioned his teaching. I'm not sure what form these emails should take, but I would like to warn others.Ellenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04973195402366543101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-40056885251132617652011-02-20T19:26:02.063-08:002011-02-20T19:26:02.063-08:00Hi Chris...I'm so excited to read your blog an...Hi Chris...I'm so excited to read your blog and get affirmation that I wasn't actually "losing it" in the late 70's. I listened to Thieme daily (of course!) and then moved to Va because I found a pastor-teacher who had a very small church in Alexandria who had studied under Thieme. After 3 years of teaching & indoctrination & incredible legalism I started getting panic attacks...I thought I was just "negative". I would rebound like crazy but I would be filled with fear when I had to go back to Bible class. It got so bad I finally had to move back to my home town. I was so traumatized that I was "negative" that I came very close to commiting suicide. I then decided to never go to church again & to live like the rest of the world. It took years to be "deprogrammed". I finally tuned in to a Christian radio station and heard Chuck Swindoll and Charles Stanley who talked about true forgiveness and that Christ really loved me!! I went home, broke off my adulterous relationship, repented and really for the 1st time trusted Jesus for the forgiveness of my sins. My life has never been the same since then. I'm very involved with my church now and I can see clearly how I was led astray by so many of those teachings. Thank you for this opportunity to tell my story. I hope it wasn't too long or confusing. In His love, NancyNancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10196501924215004104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-4810518427920077672010-04-07T19:02:49.336-07:002010-04-07T19:02:49.336-07:00Hi Chris, Wow, you took me for a good ride on the ...Hi Chris, Wow, you took me for a good ride on the way back machine. I was there in the glory days 70-85. Don't remember knowing you, though. Of course, I didn't know many at the time - privacy of the priesthood, of course. Just those who sat around me. I was a teenager and totally gave myself to Thieme's teachings. Left in October 1984 after a year of spiritual agony - shall I leave and possibly lose my husband of 2 years and friends? Had no experience of the rest of Christendom so where was I supposed to go for truth? Everyone else out there was only just barely saved, if at all - how would I know God? My mind snapped to the truth when the revelation came that Jesus loved me. Hah! Never looked back, but have had lots of deprogramming for these 20+ years. Working at T & P 83-85 helped in the awakening. Keep up the good work! Lynne Warwick Hall P.S. Did you know my grandmother, Elsie Dupree? She started in the quonset hut.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739902780009491201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-37250192376270433282009-12-29T07:44:42.919-08:002009-12-29T07:44:42.919-08:00Thanks for the comment Martha Ray. I understand t...Thanks for the comment Martha Ray. I understand the sentiment but you did not interact with any of the claims made. <br /><br />There are so many articles and papers written demonstrating the false doctrines taught in the Thiemite system, I would recommend you do a search and read them for yourself. I would also commend you to read the Bible and you will also discover for yourself the many plain and simple doctrines that are twisted by the Thiemite adherents too.<br /><br />Additionally, here is a good little series that discusses false teachers and the Scriptures associated with what our response should be to them and their teaching:<br /><a href="http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?speakerWithinSource=&subsetCat=&subsetItem=&mediatype=&includekeywords=&keyword=William%5EShishko&keyworddesc=William+Shishko&currsection=sermonsspeaker&AudioOnly=false&SpeakerOnly=true&keywordwithin=false+teachers&x=0&y=0" rel="nofollow">link to sermon audio lessons</a>Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09919789419217903149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-35080934954657583092009-12-25T08:00:19.895-08:002009-12-25T08:00:19.895-08:00I attended Berachah Church from the late 70's ...I attended Berachah Church from the late 70's until 1997 when we moved to VA. I have been on 'tapes' since then and now study under Bobby, R. B. Thieme III. I find the comments here inconsistent with my personal experience. If you are at all interested in the other side of the story you might do well to begin to ask God for the truth about these ministries. I used to 'preach' against Thieme in my own witnessing and later found that I was wrong. I thank God for leading me to both of the Thieme ministries. You might notice the information shared when RBT Jr. passed away at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/houstonchronicle/obituary.aspx?n=robert-b-thieme&pid=131604527 <br />Make no mistake as you read the comments, All honor and praise go to God, The Father and The Lord Jesus Christ. It is the Lord Jesus Christ who was worshiped by the life of RBT, Jr. I hope you allow this post. There are two sides to every coin and it is the lines on the sides that can allow to to slip around to the other side to clearly see both sides. Each coin with ridges should remind you of this. I appreciate your expressions here as I see searching. Keep asking and it shall be given you... God has a place for each of us to learn and grow. It is not the same place for everyone but we all need each other in the body of Christ. All we all owe each other honor in Him.<br />With Faith, Hope, Love and Prayers,<br />Martha RayMartha rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184494794329805949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-40473092845759530152009-10-17T20:17:20.571-07:002009-10-17T20:17:20.571-07:00I was just given a pamphlet from Theime about how ...I was just given a pamphlet from Theime about how babies in utero are not yet humans because they don't possess the soul until they are born. I found numerous contradictions in this booklet and was actually relieved that I didn't find any convincing passages in there to support his belief. He is essentially pro-abortion. Or at least okay with it. Very strange to me, his reasoning.Heidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677946794418001558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-88758176499637028422008-12-16T08:53:00.000-08:002008-12-16T08:53:00.000-08:00Hi,I appreciate the blog as well. I am..what did y...Hi,<BR/><BR/>I appreciate the blog as well. I am..what did you call it? Berachah baby? I was born in 86, so I did not get to see Berachah in it's glory days. I attended for 18 years of my life. Was never allowed to go to other churches. My palms are sweaty as I write this because there is so much that God has brought me through since the time of my attendance that I have not shared, especially not with someone who has been there.<BR/><BR/>I think you are dead on with so many of your writings. I don't know if you find this, but I find it so very hard to explain to those who have not attended Berachah. <BR/><BR/>I am only 22, I broke away from Berachah when I was 18. But it has taken me these 4 years to overcome and for the Lord to take away my anger and bitterness towards that church. Lucky you, you don't have to go back. I, however still have parents who go there and I don't believe will stop going unless the Lord plucks them out by hand, which I believe he may do.<BR/><BR/>I have so many stories I could share, but my parting message to you sir, and to anyone who feels any animosity towards that church is that we need to love them as Christ does. And I believe that he does. We need to pray for sincerity of their hearts. That they would turn their eyes upon Jesus and away from "Thieme", which by the way it is now Thieme III. I am afraid for them every time I enter, and for a few years I hated them. I confess this to you. But the Lord has turned my heart into one of mercy and love for that church and I pray we would all lay down our hurts of the past and our scars and LIFT UP THAT CHURCH IN THE NAME OF JESUS EVERYDAY. Pray that they find him in the midst of dogmatic teachings. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for giving me an outlet for me to share my thoughts. And thank you all for your stories as well.Erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12756472693522713537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-43672379383094314452008-09-03T11:50:00.000-07:002008-09-03T11:50:00.000-07:00R.B Thieme's Greek and Hbrew are EXCELLENT.I'm gla...R.B Thieme's Greek and Hbrew are EXCELLENT.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad you are saved, Chris, so you will get to see all those crowns on the COLONEL'S head....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07989258265266974631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-13820916657193523062008-08-26T00:45:00.000-07:002008-08-26T00:45:00.000-07:00My sister studies Thieme and has changed so much f...My sister studies Thieme and has changed so much from the fun-loving emotionally balanced person she used to be. My mother died recently and whilst my younger sister and I are grieving for our gorgeous Mum, my older sister has barely shed a tear. I think it has something to do with them not supposed to show emotion. <BR/><BR/>Her husband is the one that got her hooked into this religion and is very emotionally controlling and abusive toward her, extremely arrogant (even though Thieme supposedly frowns on arrogance) and they certainly are sinning due to greed over the inheritence that Mum left us. But I guess that is fine for them because apparently because they are "believers" they can sin as much as they want!! <BR/><BR/>I am glad I have found this blog and various sites that are shedding some light on this "pastor" and his teachings. It is certainly helping me understand who this woman is that has taken over my sister's body (or should that be "tent". That is how they described my mother's body when her spirit left her).RaeChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09308626116618907584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7941033589743543744.post-79484514562842030122008-07-24T18:05:00.000-07:002008-07-24T18:05:00.000-07:00Wow! I began listening to Thieme's tapes back in t...Wow! <BR/>I began listening to Thieme's tapes back in the late 80's. A lady from my church introduced me to him and I began with the basics...which some of it is spot on.<BR/><BR/>But, when I got the parts about scar tissue of the soul, breathing in this, etc; I got stuck. I just couldn't balance what he was teaching with what I knew of the Bible....as little as that was.<BR/><BR/>I drifted away from his teachings, but the past year I've revisited some of the basics I began with and had even though of getting some of the more updated teachings. I'm sure glad I wandered onto this site, as well as few others I have spotted.<BR/><BR/>Now I know of a sureity that my hesitation to study Thieme further, my reluctance to actually make the call to order newer lessons, and my need to find out all I could about the man was God directing my paths.<BR/><BR/>It's awesome reading your experience with the man. Thank you so much for sharing it.<BR/><BR/>I'm from a small town in MS, attend a Baptist church and study the Bible for myself, making use of the intelligence God gave me, relying heavily on the Holy Spirit and consulting some commentaries and Greek and Hebrew lexicons when in doubt.<BR/><BR/>KlaraAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03070833532100574887noreply@blogger.com